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Rincewind Forum Wizzard
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| Subject: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:19 am | |
| Here is something for people to think about:
Using only commons available in standard, describe how you could hardcast Emrakul on turn 4. You must play him from your hand, no cheating with Elvish Piper or similar. At this point in the game, Annihilator 6 will probably wipe your opponents board!
It is possible, although unlikely. You will need to play 10 cards + Emrakul in order to get 15 mana on turn 4. You only need to draw 9 of those cards and Emrakul. This means that if you start, you end turn 4 with no cards in hand, and 1 spare if you opted to draw.
Also, I have the required cards, and I believe that all of you who went to the prerelease will have the cards, or have seen them.
But anyway, good job if anyone can figure it out! Remember, all the cards are commons (except for Emrakul of course)
If you really really need a hint, then copy and paste this into Notepad: half of the cards are basic lands, there is 1 creature, 4 sorceries, and 1 Emrakul. The creature is the only card which is not from the new set.
Also, if you found that too easy and want bonus points, then figure out how you can hardcast Emrakul into play on turn 2 using only commons (if you your opponent starts and you draw). This time around they can be from any set you like. Be warned, this is a whole lot harder than casting Emrakul on turn 4! Although I guess it makes beating people with him all the better!
If you really really need a hint for this one, then copy and paste this into Notepad: You will need 2 lands, 1 creature, 4 sorceries, 1 instant, and 1 Emrakul. None of the cards are from the new set except Emrakul.
Incidentally, you can hardcast Emrakul on turn 1 if you have 4x Black Lotus and a handful of the cards used in the above scenario, but that's hardly fun, because Black Lotus isn't common! | |
| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:31 pm | |
| Seven commons + two land, turn two, extended:
Turn 1: Forest, Llanowar Elf Turn 2: Mountain, Seething Song, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, EMRAKUL!!!
Alternately: Nine commons + three land, turn two, extended: Turn 1: Mountain, discard a Spirit Guide, Desperate Ritual, Seething Song, Seething Song, Manamorphose, Manamorphose, Explore (Izzet Boilerworks), Tidewater Minion Turn 2: Mountain, Freed From the Real, EMRAKUL!!!
Six commons, two land, extended: Turn 1: Mountain, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Morselhoarder, Remove one counter for Paradise Mantle + Equip Turn 2: Island, Sinking Feeling, EMRAKUL!!! | |
| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:47 pm | |
| Turn 1:Forest, Llanowar Elf Turn 2:Forest, Llanowar Elfx2 Turn 3:Island, Morselhoarder Turn 4:Sinking Feeling, Paradise Mantle, EMRAKUL!!!
Damn, almost standard.... | |
| | | Rincewind Forum Wizzard
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:56 pm | |
| - The Eye wrote:
- Seven commons + two land, turn two, extended:
Turn 1: Forest, Llanowar Elf Turn 2: Mountain, Seething Song, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, Rite of Flame, EMRAKUL!!!
Alternately: Nine commons + three land, turn two, extended: Turn 1: Mountain, discard a Spirit Guide, Desperate Ritual, Seething Song, Seething Song, Manamorphose, Manamorphose, Explore (Izzet Boilerworks), Tidewater Minion Turn 2: Mountain, Freed From the Real, EMRAKUL!!! #1 beats the turn 2 one I had, which required you to take 1 damage - The eye wrote:
- Turn 1:Forest, Llanowar Elf
Turn 2:Forest, Llanowar Elfx2 Turn 3:Island, Morselhoarder Turn 4:Sinking Feeling, Paradise Mantle, EMRAKUL!!!
Damn, almost standard.... You're forgetting cards from the latest set... Although the Llanowar Elves is certainly the right way to go for turn 1. ALL the other cards used come from Rise of the Eldrazi. | |
| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:43 am | |
| Turn 1: Forest, Elvish Spirit Guide, Channel, EMRAKUL!!!!
Or, using 5 commons in standard plus three lands: Turn 1:Forest, Llanowar Elf Turn 2:Plains, Overgrown Battlement, Guard Duty on Llanowar Elf Turn 3:Forest, Overgrown Battlement x2 Turn 4: EMRAKUL!!!
By the way, in the above solutions, change Paradise Mantle to Utopia Vow for the common-only effect... | |
| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:04 am | |
| FYI, the next block is "Scars of Mirrodin", "New Phyrexia", "Mirrodin Pure".
Comments? Predictions? | |
| | | Rincewind Forum Wizzard
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:10 am | |
| - The Eye wrote:
- Or, using 5 commons in standard plus three lands:
Turn 1:Forest, Llanowar Elf Turn 2:Plains, Overgrown Battlement, Guard Duty on Llanowar Elf Turn 3:Forest, Overgrown Battlement x2 Turn 4: EMRAKUL!!! Nice! Here's mine, although yours is arguably better since you can produce the insane amounts of mana turn after turn... Turn 1 Forest, Llanowar Elves Turn 2 Mountain, Growth Spasm (for Mountain) T3 Mountain, Brood Spawning, Brood Spawning, Brood Spawning (Sacrifice an Eldrazi Spawn for the last one) T4 Any Land, Emrakul (Sacrificing 9 spawns) | |
| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:15 am | |
| Like the Guard Duty trick? Here's a real puzzler: Using a tinker, one land, and only one mana-producing spell (no spirit guides, but mana conversion's fine), how would you win turn one? Assume a perfect play, and make sure all cards are less than $6. You should use a total of eight cards in your hand, so an opponent will have started. Cantrips don't count, as they don't deplete your hand. They shouldn't affect the outcome anyway.
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| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:18 am | |
| Hint: There's a LOT of flexibility in your win conditions. The process is not infinite, and there is a high chance it's not turn-one lethal. You'll make a godhand seem as easy as not winning the lottery. Assume tun-one lethality for the purposes of this exercise, and document the chain of events.
Note: There's AT LEAST two rares involved. | |
| | | LAN-f34r
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:36 am | |
| When you say "cantrips don't count", do you mean you aren't allowed to use them?
Now what artifact can win turn one... hmm...
Also, by "win turn 1" do you mean reduce your opponents life to 0 or set a series of events than means you cannot lose? | |
| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:18 pm | |
| When I say "cantrips don't count", I mean they effectively don't use up a card slot in your hand.
HINT: The first three cards are Vault of Whispers, Dark Ritual, Manamorphose...
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| | | LAN-f34r
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:09 am | |
| how can you play manamorphose when you only have black mana in your mana pool? Manamorphose requires a red or green mana... | |
| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:21 am | |
| d'oh, no freakin' way! Okay, try Vault of Whispers, Ornithopter, Culling the Weak, Mana Cylix... In fact, any way will work, as long as you can tinker off the bat. Either way, if you play it right, you should get it going. Continue as normal, once again assuming that you are insanely lucky and everything goes to plan. In the meantime, figure out how to use two spirit guides, a swamp, a dark ritual, an equipment, an ornithopter and another creature to win turn one... HINT 1: - Spoiler:
The creature is a Cephalid.
HINT 2: - Spoiler:
The equipment is a Lightning Greaves.
HINT 3: - Spoiler:
You will need a playset of creatures that trigger on being milled, a spell with flashback, and a 7-mana zombie in your library.
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| | | LAN-f34r
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:05 pm | |
| Cephalid aristocrat Lightning greaves Sutured Ghoul <in library Dread return <in library Bounce the greaves back and fourth between the cephalid and the thopter, milling your ghoul, dread, and a whole lot of creatures. Sacrifice the aristocrat and two thopters for dread, making a 521387065/1237850863 ghoul. Greaves. GG Doesn't work though, since it needs 7 mana. Works if you have a black lotus Still having trouble finding an artifact that can win turn 1 (unless you count amelet of quoz) | |
| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:04 pm | |
| Wrong again, dammit-you only need swamp, dark ritual, one spirit guide, manamorphose...
You have the wrong starting creature-remember, you can only play two starting creatures.
With the artifact, remember that you're tinkering. That implies mana is not a barrier. Also, try not to think infinite... | |
| | | LAN-f34r
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:57 am | |
| Swamp Dark ritual Spirit guide Manamorphose Cephalid Illusionist Ornithopter Lightning greaves Narcomoeba x2 <in library Dread Return <in library Sutured Ghoul <in library
amirite?
Is the artifact legal for torny play? | |
| | | Dohyden Professional Slacker
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:17 pm | |
| lol. cast him turn one.
-mountain -rite of flame -rite of flame -rite of flame -rite of flame (u now have 10 mana) -manamorphose (into double green) -play the green titan from m11 -one red spell to give it haste -get 4 lands. 2 towers of urza, a mine and a power plant. -with the remaining 3 red play that one that gives u 5 -tap your urzatron for 10 -win
even if u can't... oh wait lol. u need to draw a combo piece off the manamorphose lol. but even if u can only get the titan and give it haste turn one, thats still a emrakul turn 2. just search 2 more towers hehehe. if i get the green titan i know where he's going x) | |
| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:19 pm | |
| How do you plan on starting with nine cards? | |
| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:22 pm | |
| Irvine is right; the deck was one that dominated standard for ages, but Sutured Ghoul and the cephalid are way out of even extended, with lightning greaves following suit with the coming of scars. BTW, the turn-1 artifact IS legal, and is very bland and unimpressive at first sight. It is one of two DIFFERENT rares you'll be using. HINT - Spoiler:
Its converted mana cost is 5. It has a single activated ability with a cost.
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| | | LAN-f34r
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:37 pm | |
| Legal as in not unhinged or legal as in legal in standard/extended/vintage or what ever. | |
| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:24 am | |
| Legal as in just a random artifact outside standard, nothing you would consider too impressive in any other situation. HINT: - Spoiler:
You may pick one up on the draft on monday...
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| | | LAN-f34r
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:02 am | |
| The only rare 5 mana artifact in mirrodin with a single ability is guilded lotus... Which doen't make any sence. If you have 3 mana to play tinker, why can't you use that mana? Also, I have a puzzle. Using a Mountain, Raging Goblin, Greater Gargadon, and two other cards, how can you win turn one? Presume you start. | |
| | | The Eye Maximum Madness / Foil Grabbing Maniac
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:53 am | |
| Of course you can win with a turn-1 gilded lotus. You just need a little imagination... A little tip to get you started: You may have picked up some of a handy card in your Mirrodin boosters, and your lotus will only be tapping for blue. As for the mountain/raging gob thing, I can think of no two cards that give you a.) 11 damage b.) seven permanents to snackrifice AND c.) net you ... | |
| | | LAN-f34r
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:42 am | |
| The two cards don't deal damage... but they do indirectly.
Clue: It's legal in extended, but not standard. | |
| | | LAN-f34r
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| Subject: Re: Test your knowledge: Hardcasting Emrakul REALLY REALLY FAST Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:18 am | |
| Oh wait, you need two gargantuans. my bad | |
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